Elevating home and value, one upgrade at a time

Discover the ultimate guide to home improvement and investment upgrades in this exciting episode of "Off the Record" with Joe Reitzug and Makayla Mast! Get ready to transform your living space into a haven of comfort and style while boosting your property value for the long haul. From simple tweaks for everyday enjoyment to strategic renovations that pay off big time, we've got you covered. Tune in for expert tips, innovative solutions, and insider insights that will take your home to the next level. Don't miss out on this opportunity to unlock the full potential of your property and lifestyle!


🔍 Episode Highlights:

1. Personal Enjoyment First: Discover the joy of home improvements tailored to your tastes and lifestyle. Unleash the potential of your space to maximize comfort and happiness.
2. Strategic Investments: Explore top-notch home improvement ideas that promise the best returns on investment. From bathroom conversions to attic renovations, uncover the hidden gems within your home.
3. Quality Upgrades: Learn the power of quality windows and outdoor living spaces in elevating your home's value. Enhance energy efficiency and create inviting outdoor retreats for year-round enjoyment.
4. Kitchen Transformation: Delve into the heart of the home with a major kitchen remodel. From culinary enthusiasts to social butterflies, craft a kitchen that embodies functionality, style, and togetherness.
5. Expert Advice: Gain insights from industry professionals and designers to optimize your renovation projects. Leverage their expertise to unlock creative solutions and elevate your home's appeal.
6. Repair vs. Replace: Making Informed Choices: Explore options for extending the lifespan of your roof and gutters through repairs and maintenance.
7. Curb Appeal Essentials: Paint and Flooring: Understand the transformative power of fresh paint and updated flooring for enhancing curb appeal and property value.
8. Revamping Cabinets and Flooring: Budget-Friendly Solutions: Discover cost-effective DIY solutions for refreshing cabinets and upgrading flooring to breathe new life into your home.
9. AC and Landscaping: Modern Necessities: Delve into the importance of air conditioning and landscaping in today's real estate market, and learn how they impact buyer perceptions.
10. Exterior Upgrades: Doors, Lighting, and More: Explore the value of upgrading front doors, garage doors, and exterior lighting to elevate your home's aesthetics and functionality.
11. Timing Matters: Enjoy Your Upgrades Sooner: Understand the significance of enjoying home upgrades now rather than waiting until it's time to sell, with practical advice on prioritizing improvements.

Transform your home into a sanctuary of joy and value! Whether you're planning to sell or simply seeking to enhance your everyday living experience, take the first step towards your dream home renovation today.

🏠 Don't miss out on the opportunity to elevate your home's appeal and create lasting memories with loved ones. Tune in to "Off the Record" for expert tips and inspiration on achieving your home improvement goals.

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Transcript

00:00:08:17 - 00:00:23:00

Joe Reitzug

Welcome to Off the Record talking real estate with Joe and Makayla. If you're interested in the Portland, Oregon real estate market and what the unvarnished inside scoop. You've come to the right place. Thanks for giving us a listen. Welcome, everyone. Hi, Makayla.

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Makayla Mast

Hi. How are you?

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Joe Reitzug

Good. I'm happy it's spring. The sun is out. We tell you. Excited?

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Makayla Mast

I'm so excited. Just makes me so much happier now. I think everyone's just happier here.

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Joe Reitzug

So just put your smile a smile on your face, doesn't it? Yeah. So we live in Oregon, and it can be difficult to say the least. Great. Yeah. Yeah. And this is near. The end is near. And, well, not the end to end. Well, the end.

00:00:49:17 - 00:00:56:11

Makayla Mast

Why are you so glad the world didn't end yesterday for the eclipse? Were you on that side of the internet, or is I just 5050?

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Joe Reitzug

I was good with it.

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Makayla Mast

You like where we're at?

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Joe Reitzug

We had a good run. We had a good run. Let's just. Yeah. We're good. No, I don't get why the eclipse would cause the world to end. I don't know. So the moon got in front of the sun. It's not the end of the world, people. Get a grip. Anyways, we are in spring. And spring means projects and improving your house.

00:01:21:05 - 00:01:41:11

Joe Reitzug

And today we're going to be talking about the best home improvement ideas for your money. This was actually a topic that was emailed into us from a past client, Mark and Sarah, who we love so much. They are. They are the best shout out! Yeah, sweetest people and their sweet dog Turkey. Hi to.

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Makayla Mast

Turkey. Hi Turkey.

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Joe Reitzug

Anyways, we are going to be talking about what are the best things you can do as far as investing in your home and getting the most bang for your buck. Most of these I should say, are fairly long term projects, but if you're going to do something, these are the things that we recommend. So always exciting. And my wife and I have a ton of experience in this because about two years ago we remodeled the entire downstairs of our home, which is also the recording studio we are.

00:02:09:23 - 00:02:10:23

Makayla Mast

Sitting in right now.

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Joe Reitzug

So the Off the Record podcast, and we love it. It's one of the best things we ever did.

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Makayla Mast

It's it looks it's so well done and I know it took a while. You guys had to live out of your garage.

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Joe Reitzug

And yeah, we lived out of our garage for.

00:02:23:05 - 00:02:29:23

Makayla Mast

Upstairs, but oh my gosh, it was it so worth it. It's. Yeah. Every little piece isn't one thing I wouldn't change.

00:02:29:23 - 00:02:48:00

Joe Reitzug

So. Oh, you're so sweet. So let's talk about that. I think the first thing that people should do is just think about what would make you enjoy your home more. If you're sitting in your home listening to this, take a moment and just think about what would give me the most absolute enjoyment out of doing some changes to my home.

00:02:48:00 - 00:03:06:02

Joe Reitzug

That's kind of what we started with, and it kind of blossomed from there. But I think that's important because no one knows your home like you do, and in 99% of the time, what would make you happy in your home and the improvements that you do are probably going to translate to the people that maybe purchasing your home down the road, if that's what you're thinking.

00:03:06:02 - 00:03:19:22

Joe Reitzug

Or maybe you're just listening to this and saying, we want to do something. What's the best thing that we can do? You know, not necessarily for resale, but just your enjoyment. And I think it's important that you spend a few minutes thinking about that. I know that you guys did that with your house. Yeah.

00:03:19:22 - 00:03:38:10

Makayla Mast

One of the best things we did is so simple. I don't think it was more than $100, but we, we were lucky to do it on our own. But we framed in a laundry room because the house is so old. But the laundry room is kind of in the kitchen and it was just kind of awkward. So we framed it in and then put pocket doors on both sides and oh my gosh, I just think it looks so much better.

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Joe Reitzug

It does look fantastic.

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Makayla Mast

Yeah, that was so personal, right. And I could tell immediately that's what we wanted to change.

00:03:43:19 - 00:04:03:11

Joe Reitzug

Yeah. And each home is different. Every items that we're going to give you here in this list are kind of generic and should apply to most homes. But in the end, every home is different and every situation is different. You know, take some time and figure out what works for your space and what would be something that you could get enjoyment out of.

00:04:03:11 - 00:04:12:05

Makayla Mast

Yeah, I agree, there's so many things and videos on the internet where it's like a kitchen remodel or a bathroom remodel translates to this, and I just don't think that's true in every home.

00:04:12:05 - 00:04:33:13

Joe Reitzug

What you're getting at, it doesn't work that way. Yeah. And if you are thinking about resale, we have clients all the time that will call us up and say, yeah, we're we're thinking about selling in the next year or two, maybe three. We want to do XYZ, but we want to get your opinion, you know, reach out and we're more than happy to stop by, say hi, bring you a cup of coffee and sit down and talk about what you're thinking about doing.

00:04:33:13 - 00:04:52:04

Joe Reitzug

And we've got a ton of resources as well. So on our page, if you go to LivPortland.com, click on podcast. You'll be able to find this episode. And in this episode we'll have a link to our referral booklet which has all the contractors that we recommend for doing all of the work that we're going to talk about right now.

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Joe Reitzug

I love.

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Makayla Mast

That book. One little caveat to this might sound a little intense, but I think if you're going to do a remodel from personal experience, try not to DIY. If you can afford to save up a little bit longer and have a professional do it the right way because we remodeled our house on our own. And I don't know why we did that, because now we have to do everything twice.

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Makayla Mast

Yeah. And, you know, just from a buyer's perspective, touring homes too, you can tell when something is redone.

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Joe Reitzug

Well, yeah. Not so.

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Makayla Mast

And it's worth waiting.

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Joe Reitzug

If you're one of the top 2 to 3% of the homeowners out there who have that skill set have at it and go nuts. But for the majority of us, myself included, you know, man's got to know his limits. I highly recommend getting a professional involved, and sometimes that's expensive. But you also know that you're going to get it done right.

00:05:42:01 - 00:05:57:07

Joe Reitzug

There's guarantees involved. There's warranties. When you when the time does come to sell, you know that whoever comes in next is going to appreciate that quality. And also home inspectors and appraisers are also going to approach them. And they look closely.

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Makayla Mast

Yes they.

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Joe Reitzug

Do. Yeah. Another piece of advice. Go online, see what other people are doing, get some ideas.

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Makayla Mast

For design or overall project.

00:06:07:03 - 00:06:27:09

Joe Reitzug

Yeah, both. I mean design features, colors. You know what looks best. Who's done it a certain way? We spent a ton of time online just looking at different doors and windows and trying to imagine how that would fit in what we were doing. Stephanie has that, and I know you do. You guys can see it, talk about it and see and go, oh, that would look great.

00:06:27:09 - 00:06:30:20

Joe Reitzug

And I'm like, I just can't picture it. Yeah, I need to actually see it.

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Makayla Mast

Yeah, I think googling is definitely helpful. Pinterest too. You wrote down here the 30% rule. What is that?

00:06:37:07 - 00:06:57:15

Joe Reitzug

Well, the 30% is just a good rule of thumb with larger projects. So like we redid the entire bottom floor of our house and, you know, 30% is probably on the high side. But whatever budget you get put together from talking to contractors are doing your own work or whatever, I always add a little bit more.

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Makayla Mast

Oh, okay.

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Joe Reitzug

See. Right.

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Makayla Mast

Yeah, that's great advice.

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Joe Reitzug

So if it's $10,000 maybe budget yourself $13,000 just to have that extra amount and know that you're not going to get deep into a project and all of a sudden be like, I can't finish it because I just don't have that money in the budget to do this right now. Right?

00:07:15:15 - 00:07:22:13

Makayla Mast

Almost always house more. You know, they open things up. They forget about flooring in a certain place when you move cabinets, whatever it is.

00:07:22:17 - 00:07:42:04

Joe Reitzug

Yeah, for sure. You know, always does come up a little bit more. Although the contractors that we've worked with, most of them have really come in and done a fantastic job. your dad did our roof and did a spectacular job was not one nickel over. Oh, wow. I know, it's beautiful. Appreciate that.

00:07:42:04 - 00:07:44:13

Makayla Mast

That's always okay. So I do really like that, right?

00:07:44:17 - 00:08:11:04

Joe Reitzug

Yeah. The other thing is interview contractors. Interview people don't just find one person and go, okay, here we go. Especially if it's a larger job. And some of the things we're going to talk about here are large jobs, but take the time to sit down with a couple of different contractors or get a couple of different bids from different vendors and find out what that number is, because I think you'll find bids vary a lot, but quality also varies a lot.

00:08:11:06 - 00:08:14:10

Joe Reitzug

And you kind of have to do your homework a little bit on those things.

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Makayla Mast

Think, and, you know, one contractor might add a line item that you didn't even think of, and then the other contractor might not have added that. And maybe you're not comparing apples to apples, but you want to make sure there's no.

00:08:25:09 - 00:08:46:13

Joe Reitzug

Hidden costs, right? So it's important part of the process too okay. So let's talk improvements Makayla. And these are going to be ranked by the biggest bang for your buck. What can you do that will make an improvement in the value of your home. Right. Let's hear. So let's start off with those and I'll I'll start with the first one okay okay.

00:08:46:15 - 00:09:17:15

Joe Reitzug

Adding a bathroom or converting a half bath into a full bath. Like if you have a three bedroom, one bath and you convert it to a three bedroom, two bath, the value just goes through the roof, you know, and obviously depends on your square footage and everything else. But those are two different categories. And not only the value, the value increases because now you've got all these people that are interested who if it was only a one bedroom house, there's a whole segment of people that are like, yeah, we just can't do that.

00:09:17:15 - 00:09:20:23

Makayla Mast

That doesn't work. That opens up a huge percentage of the market.

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Joe Reitzug

And.

00:09:22:02 - 00:09:37:06

Makayla Mast

we just had a listing that's three bed, one and a half bath, and the half bath could perfectly be remodeled into a full bath. It was killing me. But luckily the buyers thought that that was an easy remodel too, so did not agree more.

00:09:37:08 - 00:10:00:12

Joe Reitzug

Yeah, we have a listing coming up here in Hillsboro that was a three bedroom, two and a half bath and made the half bath into a full bath. So. And now instead of A32 and a half, it's a four bedroom, three bath. And that's just a different segment. I mean, people look at that in that price point. It's probably in the five 3540 somewhere in there and home run.

00:10:00:12 - 00:10:03:08

Joe Reitzug

Yeah. Kidding me. Four bedrooms and three bath.

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Makayla Mast

Yeah that's.

00:10:04:01 - 00:10:05:00

Joe Reitzug

Let's go.

00:10:05:03 - 00:10:29:06

Makayla Mast

Great space. Not seen very often. So next this one I love because I don't think people look for this when they're walking through homes necessarily. But there are there is hidden square footage oftentimes in the attic or the basement. Basement isn't as normal here in Oregon, but sometimes the attic is tall enough to where you can do a remodel and have some extra square footage.

00:10:29:06 - 00:10:51:10

Makayla Mast

And we've had a couple of listings where the sellers have done excellent remodels and really made use of the space, and it increases the value so much. And in the basement can be a little tricky. A lot of older homes in Portland will have basements, because if you want to legally put a bedroom in the basement, it has to have an egress and then egress is just a a type of window.

00:10:51:10 - 00:10:55:09

Joe Reitzug

That you're talking some crazy real estate. What is an egress, Makayla?

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Makayla Mast

And egress is a window has to be 40in high or lower for people to get out in case of a fire. So you can't be trapped in the basement, right? You know, you could put a living room down there without having an egress, but in order for.

00:11:10:04 - 00:11:17:16

Joe Reitzug

Egress, they have to be able to get in or out most of the time. That's older homes. Yeah. Where you find this hidden space in the attic or the basement.

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Makayla Mast

It's so.

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Joe Reitzug

Good. It's I love it. I know, I know, sometimes newer homes have some attic space that can get converted where they call it flex space that doesn't get finished by the builder because they're trying to save on cost or whatever. But then a homeowner comes in and goes, oh, it's a storage, and there's this little half door, and they look inside and it's like, oh my gosh, at all this boom!

00:11:39:00 - 00:11:47:03

Joe Reitzug

They kick out the half door, put a full door in there and finish it. And all of a sudden now you got, you know, 300 more square feet of bonus room or whatever, right?

00:11:47:03 - 00:11:55:03

Makayla Mast

Even if it's just like a playroom for kids or a mini office or a great closet with a lot of storage, it's so worth it.

00:11:55:03 - 00:12:18:19

Joe Reitzug

So Stephanie and I had a house over in Bethany years and years ago. When our babies were first born, early 2000, our house sat on our lot so that one one side of it had this fence was way far away from the house, and I looked up the setbacks to see, you know, what the rules were as far as how far away from the property line, or how close to the property line you could build.

00:12:18:21 - 00:12:39:05

Joe Reitzug

And there was this huge amount of space for an office, and the home didn't have an office at the time. And so we got the permits, had multiple contractors in, ended up going with a guy who did a great job and we had this fantastic office space. Wow. That's awesome. Yeah, with built ins and a door to the deck, private door to the deck.

00:12:39:06 - 00:12:56:06

Joe Reitzug

Oh, cool. Oh, it was fantastic. But sometimes there's hidden places where you can find square footage, whether it's basement, attic, or maybe you're looking at your house going, you know, these big windows here could easily be made into a door, and we could push out to maybe add another couple of hundred square feet or whatever.

00:12:56:09 - 00:13:11:13

Makayla Mast

Definitely. Especially homes on a bigger lot, you know, or an older home on a bigger lot, especially because they didn't used to make home so massive. You know, you can very easily turn an 1100 square foot home on a 8000 square foot lot into a 1400 square foot home and still have a great yard.

00:13:11:13 - 00:13:38:16

Joe Reitzug

Exactly the next one I love, I love, love, love quality windows quality windows are the best I agree. Yeah. And what we're talking about here is if you have an older home that has older windows, you know, the improvement in the technology and everything that goes into the newer windows that are out there now is night and day, and they are expensive.

00:13:38:17 - 00:13:54:18

Joe Reitzug

Yeah, very I mean, and they can get real expensive, but you can get newer windows for not, you know, a whole lot of money, but it is so worth it. And the difference between old windows and new windows, the heat savings. Yeah. Which is.

00:13:54:18 - 00:13:55:06

Makayla Mast

Huge.

00:13:55:06 - 00:13:56:23

Joe Reitzug

Yes. The savings.

00:13:57:01 - 00:13:57:13

Makayla Mast

In heating.

00:13:57:13 - 00:14:19:02

Joe Reitzug

Your home is amazingly different. And then also sound new windows block out any sound outside. I noticed that in our house. Here are 2000 and built in 2004. We had a built in. Yeah, 2004. And even the difference between the old windows we had and now the new windows we have in the downstairs here is night and day.

00:14:19:02 - 00:14:23:23

Joe Reitzug

We close everything up and you can't really hear the rest of the neighborhood around us.

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Makayla Mast

So lovely.

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Joe Reitzug

Yeah, I think.

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Makayla Mast

It just adds such a luxurious feel to a house too.

00:14:28:15 - 00:14:45:03

Joe Reitzug

Yeah, it's such a downer when you go into an older home and it's a beautiful home, but it still has the old meadows and you can see that the home, if you're, you know, if you're working with the buyers and you walk through there and you just see the buyers look like, oh, this is amazing. Yeah. We could see ourself.

00:14:45:05 - 00:14:46:08

Joe Reitzug

Oh yeah.

00:14:46:10 - 00:14:50:19

Makayla Mast

Window there is X amount I didn't budget for.

00:14:50:21 - 00:14:51:19

Joe Reitzug

Yeah exactly.

00:14:51:23 - 00:15:14:01

Makayla Mast

So and side note on windows if you're going to replace your windows please please please do not get stuck in the trap of setting up a call online with whoever you get on Google first, because they don't. Anyone else has experienced this, but they will come to your house and they will not leave for hours. They until you sign a contract.

00:15:14:02 - 00:15:14:22

Makayla Mast

Hours?

00:15:15:00 - 00:15:18:05

Joe Reitzug

Yeah. And the pressure which usually means not a good product.

00:15:18:05 - 00:15:28:19

Makayla Mast

Right. And it can feel scammy and they can charge triple what other contractors would charge. So please reach out to us. I have a great husband and wife team who do windows.

00:15:28:22 - 00:15:34:04

Joe Reitzug

Sounds like you have personal PTSD and I really.

00:15:34:06 - 00:15:36:06

Joe Reitzug

It was a window trauma.

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Makayla Mast

So are I'm not kidding. It was like three hours at dinner time and.

00:15:42:00 - 00:15:48:03

Joe Reitzug

Did you go, get out window guy?

00:15:48:05 - 00:15:53:10

Makayla Mast

What is it going to take for me to get you to sign this contract before I leave? I was like, I.

00:15:53:10 - 00:15:54:20

Joe Reitzug

Sign it after you leave, cut.

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Makayla Mast

Your price, and I.

00:15:55:14 - 00:16:04:12

Joe Reitzug

Promise, just leave. Yeah. No, that's that's the worst. So great windows, though, are such a thing of beauty, and I just I love them so much.

00:16:04:12 - 00:16:12:18

Makayla Mast

So the next thing on our list is adding space for entertainment. And I think specifically doing this outside is great.

00:16:12:18 - 00:16:16:06

Joe Reitzug

Especially you talking about outdoor living space. Nice.

00:16:16:08 - 00:16:35:21

Makayla Mast

Nice in Oregon we don't have a lot of opportunities to entertain outside, but if you were to add, you know, like a little undercover area in the back, you know, that opens up many more months of the year for you to hang out outside. And I think that adds a ton of value, just the overall feel to your backyard.

00:16:35:23 - 00:16:41:08

Makayla Mast

Maybe it looks like a little more landscaping or adding some concrete, but I think that goes a really long ways.

00:16:41:11 - 00:17:01:08

Joe Reitzug

Yeah, stamp concrete is inexpensive and an absolute game changer. Firepit, little garden area, outdoor kitchen if you want to get crazy are fantastic ideas. All of those are to add a huge amount of value to the home. Yeah, I think and people are looking for that now. Definitely.

00:17:01:10 - 00:17:08:01

Makayla Mast

Especially the little kids cars. You just want to be outside even without little kids. I mean, I feel like I live on my backpack.

00:17:08:02 - 00:17:30:17

Joe Reitzug

I know it's nice and it's nice. In Oregon, there is nothing better than sitting and having dinner outside and relaxing. That's a good one. And that goes to, you know, the story that you can tell about your home, especially when you're selling your home. If people can go outside and go, I could see us having the Joneses over and dinner out here on the patio, and that's a seller.

00:17:30:21 - 00:18:04:13

Joe Reitzug

Definitely. This one is maybe the most expensive one. And I say that out of personal experience. But the major kitchen remodel, right? So we're foodies in my house. We've talked about that. I posted that all that stuff, and I love to cook. And when my wife and I started talking about redoing our place, I was like, okay, it's got to start with the kitchen because I want a place to be able to cook for my family and, and entertain and have it be a fun spot.

00:18:04:13 - 00:18:17:08

Joe Reitzug

And we spent a lot of time thinking about that. Finally pulled the trigger on it when we did the entire downstairs. And I love I love my kitchen now so, so much. So pretty. Yeah, you.

00:18:17:08 - 00:18:27:00

Makayla Mast

Spend so much time in the kitchen. I mean, you especially do it because you love to cook, but I think in all homes it is the focal point is what people are going to be.

00:18:27:06 - 00:18:52:13

Joe Reitzug

Yeah. Looking for. Yeah. And there's really creative ways that you can incorporate, you know, the cooking experience with the social experience and in that flow. And you know, I think a lot of people, it just takes spending a little bit of time thinking about it and maybe even getting a professional. And you know, we had some different options and we ended up with our configuration and how we did things from a recommendation from a designer.

00:18:52:15 - 00:19:08:21

Joe Reitzug

Then we met with and she met with us. We sat down and she heard what we were trying to do. And she goes, man, have you guys ever thought about instead of an island doing it this way? And immediately I was like, yes, that's what I want. I never would have thought of it, right? Because, you know, you're supposed to have an island and all that sort of stuff, right?

00:19:08:23 - 00:19:12:18

Makayla Mast

But you do have an island. It's just not what your typical standalone island looks like.

00:19:12:18 - 00:19:15:12

Joe Reitzug

Traditional. Yeah, yeah. So, it's the.

00:19:15:12 - 00:19:16:12

Makayla Mast

Feeling though, like you.

00:19:16:12 - 00:19:23:00

Joe Reitzug

Said. Yeah, but there are so many people that when they walk into a home, the kitchen makes or breaks things.

00:19:23:01 - 00:19:24:00

Makayla Mast

Oh, 100%.

00:19:24:00 - 00:19:30:01

Joe Reitzug

For me personally, it's kitchen, primary bedroom and the outside.

00:19:30:03 - 00:19:32:03

Makayla Mast

Exterior, like the outdoor.

00:19:32:03 - 00:19:34:16

Joe Reitzug

Living, outdoor living. What about for you? What's your top three?

00:19:34:17 - 00:19:37:07

Makayla Mast

Oh, kitchen, primary bedroom.

00:19:37:07 - 00:19:38:21

Joe Reitzug

And curb appeal I love.

00:19:39:01 - 00:19:54:04

Makayla Mast

I love rolling up to a cute house. I know just makes me happy. And I think to like going back to the kitchen remodel, if you don't feel like you have the bandwidth to knock down walls, or hire a designer and do all of these things, that can take a really long time and cost a lot of money.

00:19:54:06 - 00:20:00:10

Makayla Mast

There are smaller ways you can refresh the space. Countertops aren't crazy expensive. There's a lot of different.

00:20:00:10 - 00:20:01:22

Joe Reitzug

You can fix cabinets.

00:20:01:22 - 00:20:20:13

Makayla Mast

You can have someone come in and paint the cabinets. Appliances are relatively inexpensive. You know, having a matching set, with the stove, dishwasher, and refrigerator makes a huge difference. And then cabinet pulls are under $10 apiece. Yeah. So talking about quite a bit of money, but hopefully that option is less.

00:20:20:13 - 00:20:30:12

Joe Reitzug

Intimidating to people. We're not talking 50 grand, 75 grand. We're talking a couple thousand. Yeah. Yeah. So and that's actually DIY, DIY friendly. Not for me.

00:20:30:12 - 00:20:33:12

Makayla Mast

But for me.

00:20:33:14 - 00:20:55:22

Joe Reitzug

Yeah. Sorry I got no skills with that. It's mostly got no patience. That's what I've been told. I have very little love with that. Go figure. So let's those are the major improvement items that we would recommend, but let's talk about some of the the other items that I think people are like, oh, I want to do this, I want to do that.

00:20:55:22 - 00:21:05:13

Joe Reitzug

And they have us over. And it's like, I did tell you this, but you've got some deferred maintenance, right? Right, right. Yeah, yeah.

00:21:05:19 - 00:21:17:16

Makayla Mast

And it stinks because the first, you know, set of items we talked about is the more fun that's what you want. And, you know, but when it comes down to a successful sale for the highest dollar and.

00:21:17:18 - 00:21:19:17

Joe Reitzug

Just plain taking care of your home.

00:21:19:17 - 00:21:20:04

Makayla Mast

Right.

00:21:20:09 - 00:21:21:23

Joe Reitzug

Unfortunately, the care of you.

00:21:22:00 - 00:21:24:19

Makayla Mast

Yeah, the deferred maintenance is something that you need.

00:21:24:19 - 00:21:29:01

Joe Reitzug

To think about. What's the number one deferred maintenance item that you see?

00:21:29:03 - 00:21:32:15

Makayla Mast

as if I don't talk about this enough. Roof and gutters.

00:21:32:17 - 00:21:41:06

Joe Reitzug

that was such a soft pitch to you to get Makayla mask. Talking about roofs need, like, special.

00:21:41:06 - 00:21:41:20

Makayla Mast

Music that.

00:21:41:21 - 00:21:44:01

Joe Reitzug

Comes on whenever we get to talk.

00:21:44:06 - 00:21:50:04

Makayla Mast

Because then everyone's going to turn it off. Shut up. We get it. That's a whole weekend of.

00:21:50:04 - 00:21:52:15

Joe Reitzug

Podcast riff talk with Makayla.

00:21:52:17 - 00:21:53:21

Makayla Mast

Spare everyone.

00:21:53:23 - 00:22:04:01

Joe Reitzug

Okay. Yeah, well, you know, everyone in town, so you could. That's a big guest list right there. And a good resto, a brand new roof. There's nothing better.

00:22:04:01 - 00:22:04:21

Makayla Mast

I can't agree.

00:22:04:21 - 00:22:16:18

Joe Reitzug

More. We just visited a house this morning that we're going to be listing or putting on the market, and it had. They didn't even tell us either. It had a brand new roof and I was like, oh yes, shovel seller.

00:22:16:19 - 00:22:20:17

Makayla Mast

Oh, usually they lead with that. That's the first thing they say on the phone. Guess what?

00:22:20:18 - 00:22:23:04

Joe Reitzug

Guess what? I just spent 20 grand on a new roof.

00:22:23:04 - 00:22:40:19

Makayla Mast

Yeah, a lot of times to like my grandma, she, you know, it was probably 24 years ago that she needed a new roof. And, you know, she knew she's going to be in the house for a long time. So she's like, I want to replace it twice. Yeah, in my lifetime. So she did a metal roof.

00:22:41:00 - 00:22:41:13

Joe Reitzug

Oh, wow.

00:22:41:17 - 00:22:47:08

Makayla Mast

And that's, you know, for people that don't know that last a lifetime, supposed to as long as it's installed correctly.

00:22:47:11 - 00:22:51:21

Joe Reitzug

Correct. And you get the right metal that doesn't rust. Right.

00:22:51:23 - 00:22:59:20

Makayla Mast

Sure. But there are options. But, you know, if you're, you're think your roof might have a little bit more life in it, you did.

00:22:59:22 - 00:23:06:06

Joe Reitzug

She said there's options. And I'm like, oh, here we go. That's the lead into what?

00:23:06:07 - 00:23:14:16

Makayla Mast

You can, have somebody come repair it and maybe even give it a cert, which means they're giving it an estimated life.

00:23:14:18 - 00:23:19:15

Joe Reitzug

At least 3 to 5 years. Yeah, yeah. don't see a whole lot of those anymore. They'll do, you.

00:23:19:17 - 00:23:25:10

Makayla Mast

Know, because roofing company still on a promise that a roof will last. That long, you know, because it might not.

00:23:25:12 - 00:23:26:08

Joe Reitzug

I get that, but.

00:23:26:08 - 00:23:28:00

Makayla Mast

Regular maintenance helps with these.

00:23:28:01 - 00:23:33:21

Joe Reitzug

Things as well. Yeah. and what goes with the roof gutters?

00:23:33:23 - 00:23:35:13

Makayla Mast

At least in Oregon.

00:23:35:15 - 00:23:45:04

Joe Reitzug

Pacific northwest. Yeah. Getting those things cleaned every so often is just such a great thing you can do to help your gutters last longer.

00:23:45:06 - 00:23:48:18

Makayla Mast

we went to South Carolina last. Earlier this? Nope.

00:23:48:18 - 00:23:50:06

Joe Reitzug

Last year.

00:23:50:08 - 00:24:08:01

Makayla Mast

and about 50% of homes didn't have gutters, and I just thought that was so interesting. So it must be true in more desert areas too, like, you know. Yeah, Arizona, New Mexico. But, here they're so important because obviously we get this flooding of rainfall.

00:24:08:06 - 00:24:14:04

Joe Reitzug

And we also have all the greenery that drops onto the roof and then into the gutters and clogs all that. yeah.

00:24:14:04 - 00:24:26:11

Makayla Mast

And, you know, if those are clogged or installed improperly, it can overflow and ruin your landscaping or your siding. Those two things really are what keep your home healthy from the outside in. And that's usually what buyers are.

00:24:26:11 - 00:24:45:14

Joe Reitzug

Most concerned about. Yeah. If if you're selling your home and Makayla and her clients walk up and your roof is hurting, yeah, that's not a good first impression because we know how much that's going to cost. Buyers go 1.5 times that and get freaked out. Yeah, right out of the shoots.

00:24:45:16 - 00:24:48:05

Makayla Mast

They just think about how they don't have that cash on hand.

00:24:48:05 - 00:24:57:10

Joe Reitzug

Right. And will the seller pay for right? Sometimes the seller's like I think that's the buyer's problem. And the buyers like, maybe I won't buy your home.

00:24:57:10 - 00:24:59:23

Makayla Mast

Yeah, I've been living here for 20 years. Why would that be my problem?

00:24:59:23 - 00:25:09:16

Joe Reitzug

Yeah, exactly. So. Okay, so roof and gutters, the other one that I love is that new coat of paint. Right.

00:25:09:18 - 00:25:10:23

Makayla Mast

Such a long way.

00:25:11:04 - 00:25:34:04

Joe Reitzug

So rough gutters, paint. If those three things haven't been done in the last well, rough in 20 years at least looked at in the past 15 to 20 years and the paint hasn't been addressed in probably that long either. It's probably a good sign that that's where you should maybe focus first before you know the crazy indoor stuff, right?

00:25:34:06 - 00:25:55:10

Makayla Mast

And paint doesn't cost as much as you think it would. You know, if you're siding isn't in great health, that's when it can get really expensive. But if you, you know, have most of your landscaping away from the home and you don't have some massive three storey house, usually it's it's pretty affordable. But if you do have a three story house, my heart goes out to you because that's when it does get spendy.

00:25:55:15 - 00:26:17:18

Joe Reitzug

Yeah, big ladders. The great thing about new paint is it comes with new caulking. right. That's the thing I noticed when we painted our house was I'd be outside and I'd be looking at my siding going, there's a gap, but the caulking cracked there, and there's a gap. Wherever there's gaps, moisture, water can get in there and can affect your siding.

00:26:17:22 - 00:26:27:03

Joe Reitzug

With a new paint job, you're going to get all that stuff scraped out, and then new caulking put in and the paint seals it. And man, you're it's like a new house.

00:26:27:05 - 00:26:35:11

Makayla Mast

Yeah. I'm great. Just refreshes. Everything looks so great for the curb appeal and those exterior photos that people obsess over on the internet.

00:26:35:11 - 00:26:41:20

Joe Reitzug

One of the items that I think improves value, but we kind of put into the deferred maintenance spot, is.

00:26:41:20 - 00:26:44:05

Makayla Mast

Painting our facing cabinets. That's a good.

00:26:44:05 - 00:26:45:17

Joe Reitzug

One. That is a good one.

00:26:45:20 - 00:26:47:11

Makayla Mast

It's like what you were talking about new.

00:26:47:12 - 00:27:02:06

Joe Reitzug

Oh sorry. Changing up flooring. Oh yeah. Flooring. Yeah. You know you can do all sorts of beautiful, wonderful stuff in your house, but if your floor is worn, it's not a good combo.

00:27:02:11 - 00:27:05:10

Makayla Mast

If you've never taken your shoes off in your house.

00:27:05:12 - 00:27:10:03

Joe Reitzug

Yeah, well, it's not as much that. But like, we have pets, right?

00:27:10:03 - 00:27:11:06

Makayla Mast

It happens.

00:27:11:06 - 00:27:17:09

Joe Reitzug

We had our. And you guys are probably like Joe. Good lord. What did you do to this house? But we had our floors done.

00:27:17:11 - 00:27:20:03

Makayla Mast

And the answer is three boys.

00:27:20:05 - 00:27:43:11

Joe Reitzug

We know we have three boys, we have two dogs. This is we've had three in this house now and it just got hammered. The floor is dead. And so obviously we had to redo those as well. But there are all sorts of incredibly beautiful choices you can have out there. The engineered vinyl and all that is really, really cool.

00:27:43:13 - 00:27:47:08

Joe Reitzug

It used to be where you said vinyl and people were like, oh no, you can't put that in a nice home.

00:27:47:08 - 00:27:48:08

Makayla Mast

Run away fast.

00:27:48:10 - 00:27:54:17

Joe Reitzug

Right? Exactly. And now with the choices that are out there, you can hardly tell. Sometimes I can't.

00:27:54:17 - 00:28:05:13

Makayla Mast

Tell me either. Remember the house we were up the other day? We have to look it up. Yeah. And we were like, looking at the, What's that called? The register. Yeah. See if it was hardwood or not.

00:28:05:13 - 00:28:19:05

Joe Reitzug

Yeah, yeah. Little pro trick. If you're in a house and you want to see if there's hardwood floors, go to the fence and the fence will pop up and you just kind of look underneath the carpet, or you can see underneath what is currently there and see if there's hardwoods.

00:28:19:06 - 00:28:42:07

Makayla Mast

Great tip. I didn't even know that. This is a little public service announcement about four. So try your best to just have 1 or 2 types of flooring, maybe three throughout the home. I think it makes houses so choppy when there's like, yeah, five different types of flooring and, you know, tile in the kitchen and the bathrooms and then yeah, carpet in the bedrooms, you know, and a lot of times that's just how homes were designed.

00:28:42:07 - 00:28:56:10

Makayla Mast

So it's kind of hard to get around. But it is worth like yeah redoing some trim, shimmying up the floor to make things match. I that's the most feedback we get in a house that has. Yeah five types of flooring people just can't stand.

00:28:56:10 - 00:29:07:12

Joe Reitzug

The flooring is actually one of the more affordable things you can do to I think. Yeah, compared to a lot of the other things that we've talked about here. Right. But yeah, let's go back to your painting or re facing cabinets. Sorry about that.

00:29:07:12 - 00:29:08:14

Makayla Mast

No that's okay because.

00:29:08:14 - 00:29:10:18

Joe Reitzug

I do think that is a.

00:29:10:20 - 00:29:14:22

Makayla Mast

It is deferred maintenance. You're right. And it yeah it's like the curb appeal of your kitchen.

00:29:15:04 - 00:29:16:05

Joe Reitzug

00:29:16:16 - 00:29:31:23

Makayla Mast

and it's so easy to. Nick. I was vacuuming too fast the other day and Nick to make out now, which makes me nuts. but, you know, like Joe said, relatively inexpensive. You can, for the most part, maybe sand and touch up your cabinets with a little painter's brush brush.

00:29:32:03 - 00:29:36:23

Joe Reitzug

That is a DIY that I think I could actually do. Yeah, definitely. Yeah.

00:29:37:01 - 00:29:42:16

Makayla Mast

I think it scares people because it's not nothing like a wall, but I think it just takes patience.

00:29:42:18 - 00:29:43:01

Joe Reitzug

Yeah.

00:29:43:04 - 00:29:45:02

Makayla Mast

Sitting in your kitchen for a day or two.

00:29:45:05 - 00:29:56:00

Joe Reitzug

Yeah, exactly. So, let's talk about some of the would be nice to have things done right. Oh, yes. Can we start with AC,

00:29:56:02 - 00:30:01:04

Makayla Mast

Global warming. We used to not have to have AC in Oregon, and now it's.

00:30:01:06 - 00:30:21:13

Joe Reitzug

We had an 85 degree, 80 degree day in April earlier this month. Yeah, I think yeah. It's crazy. I remember when I started right after the Civil War in the 1860s here in real estate in Portland. I feel so and so you're.

00:30:21:15 - 00:30:25:16

Makayla Mast

I thought you're talking about, like, the ducks and the beavers. That's a really weird.

00:30:25:21 - 00:30:35:11

Joe Reitzug

Yeah, I, I was just saying back when I started in real estate, and whenever I say that with you, I think that. Lord, he sounds old. Cali.

00:30:35:13 - 00:30:35:22

Makayla Mast

you did.

00:30:35:22 - 00:30:43:11

Joe Reitzug

The North and the South had just finished fighting. I remember when I got licensed.

00:30:43:13 - 00:30:45:14

Makayla Mast

That was funny.

00:30:45:16 - 00:30:47:13

Joe Reitzug

no, but when I started in real estate.

00:30:47:16 - 00:30:49:12

Makayla Mast

It was before I was born.

00:30:49:14 - 00:30:51:10

Joe Reitzug

And so we were there.

00:30:51:12 - 00:30:53:13

Makayla Mast

Make you feel worse now?

00:30:53:15 - 00:30:56:01

Joe Reitzug

Wow. Yeah.

00:30:56:03 - 00:31:01:20

Makayla Mast

That more of just makes me look like your young, dumb baby. No more than you looking like an old sad.

00:31:02:01 - 00:31:26:18

Joe Reitzug

You are a seasoned, grizzled real estate veteran that has learned all this so quickly, and it's taken me 29 years to learn all this. It's not true. Yeah. So anyways, we digress. But when I started no, not no more Jeff okay, good. When I started there was no AC, hardly anywhere. I mean, I'm serious. Makayla. 20% of the homes had AC.

00:31:26:21 - 00:31:36:13

Joe Reitzug

That's great. 25% just wasn't necessary. And now what do we get for five, six, seven days of 100 plus degrees here? Oh yeah. Yeah.

00:31:36:13 - 00:31:38:22

Makayla Mast

It's people who don't have anything. And I think.

00:31:39:02 - 00:31:42:04

Joe Reitzug

It's pretty morbid, but historic.

00:31:42:06 - 00:31:44:02

Makayla Mast

And dark past. Yeah, but.

00:31:44:05 - 00:31:47:09

Joe Reitzug

The rooftop went sideways.

00:31:47:11 - 00:32:02:07

Makayla Mast

With, Well, just working with buyers. I mean, that's pretty much a non-negotiable for most buyers now. Yeah, it goes along the lines of the conversation of how many bedrooms they want. If they usually throw in AC, like, I don't even want to entertain a house that doesn't have AC.

00:32:02:07 - 00:32:11:22

Joe Reitzug

And you must. From a seller's point of view, you almost have to add a credit now I think. Yeah, most situations. So yeah,

00:32:12:00 - 00:32:17:02

Makayla Mast

Sorry, if you have central heating, it's pretty easy to add cooling.

00:32:17:02 - 00:32:31:04

Joe Reitzug

Yeah. Most newer houses are wired for it too. So you should be in good shape there. But yeah, it's one of those things if you can add AC that's a big value add plus enjoy your home in the summertime, right?

00:32:31:06 - 00:32:35:17

Makayla Mast

Don't be sneaking off to restaurants to get the AC. If you don't have to.

00:32:35:17 - 00:32:36:15

Joe Reitzug

Yeah. Have you done that?

00:32:36:15 - 00:32:38:21

Makayla Mast

No, but I'm sure you do.

00:32:38:23 - 00:32:41:04

Joe Reitzug

Wow. Okay. I never thought of that.

00:32:41:06 - 00:32:42:09

Makayla Mast

Just sit in a sweat bath.

00:32:42:09 - 00:32:48:17

Joe Reitzug

Starbucks is AC right? Works great. what about landscaping improvements?

00:32:48:22 - 00:32:55:06

Makayla Mast

Oh, this one's so good because it is a DIY. If you're willing to pick up a shovel or whatever.

00:32:55:08 - 00:32:55:21

Joe Reitzug

I'm not.

00:32:55:22 - 00:33:02:16

Makayla Mast

I know, shaking your head. Luckily your wife is, and she does a beautiful job. I will.

00:33:02:16 - 00:33:05:08

Joe Reitzug

Say she's got the green thumb is what I tell.

00:33:05:08 - 00:33:25:12

Makayla Mast

Her. I love it, but mature landscaping even if it's not mature. But again, it just highlights your home. It kind of just brings it all together. Yeah, having it for, you know, the outdoor entertaining that we talked about, but also just the curb appeal. I mean, it's so easy to just take care of the lawn and add a few plants or flowers.

00:33:25:14 - 00:33:32:18

Makayla Mast

Things do so great here in Oregon. We're actually having a special guest who's going to talk about what plants.

00:33:32:18 - 00:33:34:12

Joe Reitzug

So excited to talk to her.

00:33:34:12 - 00:33:39:06

Makayla Mast

We should, plant for, you know, maximizing curb appeal or for what season.

00:33:39:06 - 00:33:41:20

Joe Reitzug

But, can you share who we're going to be meeting with?

00:33:41:22 - 00:34:00:15

Makayla Mast

Her name is Sherry Durack, and she is the owner of a root pouch, which is a fabulous local company that, they invented. They're basically pot liners and they're. But the soil that's in the pot liner is fabulous soil, you know, that's been groomed and made for that customer.

00:34:00:17 - 00:34:01:04

Joe Reitzug

Too.

00:34:01:04 - 00:34:02:08

Makayla Mast

Yeah, they do very well.

00:34:02:08 - 00:34:24:02

Joe Reitzug

Yeah. That's the Hillsboro Company. Yeah I'm excited to talk to her about that because I mean boy a lot of different ways you can use that around your, your yard and in what you're doing. So definitely curb appeal is a must. And everyone likes to come home to their home and go oh yeah. Looks good. Which brings me to front door.

00:34:24:02 - 00:34:32:00

Joe Reitzug

Garage door updates. Good car. Not inexpensive but not horribly expensive. Surprisingly so.

00:34:32:02 - 00:34:40:00

Makayla Mast

Especially the front door. you can get a lot of, like, contractor stores. I don't even know how to warehouses.

00:34:40:00 - 00:34:54:23

Joe Reitzug

I don't know, you can also just paint your front door. Right. Stephanie had our front door painted, and, I think she whispered what she was going to do when I was asleep one night. I didn't remember her telling me that I was going to come home to a blue door, but I did.

00:34:55:01 - 00:34:56:06

Makayla Mast

It looks great.

00:34:56:08 - 00:35:06:15

Joe Reitzug

Well, it was a shocker when I first walked up to it, but it grew on me and I like it. And you know, you see more front doors that have different colors and stuff and it's cool.

00:35:06:15 - 00:35:07:19

Makayla Mast

It adds a lot of character.

00:35:08:01 - 00:35:08:12

Joe Reitzug

Yeah, I.

00:35:08:12 - 00:35:23:04

Makayla Mast

Think and the the garage door isn't as exciting, but it does do a lot for that curb appeal. Yeah, mainly you just want your garage door to work and that goes along with painting your exterior too. Yeah, paint your garage doors. It goes a long way.

00:35:23:06 - 00:35:44:14

Joe Reitzug

this last one is something that's near and dear to my heart because we love spending time outside in the summertime, especially, but really all year long, if it's not pouring down rain, you know, we spend time outside. But exterior lighting is so good. There's so many different options. And it goes back to that. I can't really see it until I see it right.

00:35:44:14 - 00:36:03:07

Joe Reitzug

I can't imagine in my head. And we went online and we're looking at different stuff and this and that, and there's so many cool ideas about what you can do with lighting and, it just adds such a cool element to your backyard, your front yard, you know, all parts of your house. It's one of those ways that's for not a lot of money.

00:36:03:07 - 00:36:11:17

Joe Reitzug

You can really spruce things up and make things look really cool and add a really warm element to where you live.

00:36:11:18 - 00:36:22:23

Makayla Mast

So even just changing up the fixtures, you know, you don't necessarily have to go in and add more spaces for lights. But fixtures can go a long way and they're relatively inexpensive. Home Depot.

00:36:23:00 - 00:36:39:09

Joe Reitzug

It's so funny because I see these homes that have these really cool outdoor spaces, outdoor kitchen and all this stuff, and the lighting is just not great. It's like, yeah, you should really think about doing something different with this. It's hard to say that right?

00:36:39:11 - 00:36:40:22

Makayla Mast

You know, you almost got there.

00:36:40:23 - 00:36:41:23

Joe Reitzug

Yeah.

00:36:42:01 - 00:36:44:08

Makayla Mast

Thousand dollar pizza oven.

00:36:44:08 - 00:36:49:23

Joe Reitzug

You know, and you have no light for at night. What is going on here?

00:36:50:03 - 00:36:50:16

Makayla Mast

That's a great.

00:36:50:16 - 00:36:51:14

Joe Reitzug

Point. Yeah.

00:36:51:16 - 00:36:54:04

Makayla Mast

I'm gonna go home and assess my exterior lighting.

00:36:54:06 - 00:36:55:16

Joe Reitzug

Are you. Yeah.

00:36:55:18 - 00:36:56:02

Makayla Mast

You got me.

00:36:56:02 - 00:37:08:05

Joe Reitzug

Thinking. Yeah. Yeah, it is a great way to do it. So that is our show about the best home improvement for the money. What do you think? I think there are some great things out there.

00:37:08:05 - 00:37:16:20

Makayla Mast

I think so too. What would you say? I think these repairs are like 3 to 5. If you're thinking of selling in 3 to 5 years, or do you not want to put a time.

00:37:16:20 - 00:37:38:04

Joe Reitzug

Limit on it? I say do them sooner than later if you can save up or if you have the money right now, go do these things. Even if you're not thinking about selling just for the improvement. I mean, we did our whole downstairs. We have no intention of selling, but it was kind of one of those things where where, you know, you see so many people that do these things right before they sell.

00:37:38:06 - 00:37:57:18

Joe Reitzug

Now we're ready to sell. Well, you didn't get to enjoy it. And that's really you know, what I would encourage people to do is if you feel like something would add to the enjoyment, that you get from living in your space in your home, do it now. Get the enjoyment out of it. Even if you're thinking about selling, you know, 3 to 5 years, whatever.

00:37:57:22 - 00:38:00:13

Joe Reitzug

Do those things that are going to help you enjoy it between now and then?

00:38:00:18 - 00:38:03:17

Makayla Mast

Yeah, especially that AC so you don't who.

00:38:03:17 - 00:38:26:12

Joe Reitzug

That's number one on my list right. That's a big one in our in our lives. Anyways thanks for listening. Yeah thanks everyone. And visit LivPortland.com. for more information on this. And, I think we should post this list. What do you think that's. That'd be helpful for all those that aren't taking notes out there.

00:38:26:13 - 00:38:27:02

Makayla Mast

In your car.

00:38:27:06 - 00:38:33:16

Joe Reitzug

In your car. We'll have this on, on LivPortland.com. Thanks, everyone. Have a great day.

00:38:33:18 - 00:38:46:16

Makayla Mast

Thanks for joining us today. If you're interested in finding out more about Joe, myself or the LivPortland team, you can go to LivPortland.com. Thanks for giving us a listen and see you next time on the Off the Record podcast.